Cholesterol

This is sorta funny but do you all understand what HDL cholesterol actually does?

It helps the body break down and get rid of fat!

See, that's why they call it the GOOD cholesterol, and it's such an odd thing to have high body fat and great HDL-doesn't match unless it's something like AD36.

That's why they always think that active, exercising people are the ones that have great HDL. Oops. Bursting that bubble! :)

Here is a great article on thyroid/adrenal issues
Thyroid.about.com . They talk about the thyroid, adrenal, sex hormones connection.

Test your thyroid: put a thermometer by your bed, and in the morning, before you get up, take your temperature. Do it for 5 days, and then average it. If it is low, you are likely in the range of low functioning thyroid.

Interesting that coconut oil helps thyroid function (3 tbs a day), but what most stresses the thyroid is low adrenals.

Here's another article that talks about estrogen dominance and how it opposes thyroid function.
Hypothyroidism

Estrogen causes food calories to be stored as fat. Thyroid hormone causes fat to be turned into energy.
Natural Progesterone inhibits estrogen. Low progesterone can be assisted by eating organic soybeans.

But-can we find organic soybeans that have NOT been genetically modified? That may require some more research. Happy hunting!

Meantime, they are starting to rethink the 'bad' cholesterol thing...it was a marketing ploy to increase the use of pharmas that lower cholesterol. Create a need for the product that you have...

Raw Break

I started to notice that this past week I was reaching for treat things, like raisin oatmeal cookies-and not the raw ones.
They tasted incredibly sweet, almost making my teeth ache. But I ate them. One a day, you know, those nice big soft fresh ones from Wild Oats? I've had bread this week, and some pasta.

My sleep has been good, and I generally felt ok, though I was getting slower each day. And today my ears feel congested, and I woke with a stuffy nose. My feet feel itchy. It definitely has activated something-or did it activate before which was why, after months and months, I started to eat sugar and flour again?

I've been eating more fruit than I usually do, and not doing any green juice for about 2 weeks now, except once or twice. And other than edamame, not much really green, compared to before. I think it's time to go back on a juice fast. Lauren says Mondays, I think mine will be Wednesday-mid week. A good choice.

I ran the frequencies today for adenovirus, ad 36, candida, general fungus, and general balancing. I'll let you know what happens.

questions about ad36

what im wondering is if the virus definition is contingent on gaining weight - because all of these symptoms seem like what i had minus the weight gain....i never gained weight - except on birth control (artificial hormones). when i ask i get that it is similar to chronic fatigue its a similiar thread with epstein barr and herpes virus (both of which are 'essential' to a cfs diagnosis)....or is what makes cfs and fibromyalgia and others different is the specific way in which ad36 effects fat cells?

is there possibly something else that determines the weight gain component...? can ad36 occur in people without the side effect of weight gain but can give enlarged liver kidney problems adrenals hormones etc etc...i think theres a larger piece here - and maybe variations on this dis-ease......?

From Romedy on AD36

"The herpes viruses live in the nerves...maybe a lifetime. Outbreaks can cause nasty things like shingles, cold sores, etc.
How do we know for sure the ad 36 virus passes from the body in a relatively short time? Perhaps, because we are not research chickens, it finds a home in the digestive system...maybe for a lifetime. I have felt for many years that morbidly obese people have something that causes the original onset of eating and then their weight spirals out of control from there.
When I was first infected I really did not eat any more than I ever had, exercised the same amount, etc. when I started gaining weight...thirty pounds in one memorable month. My blood sugar spun out of control and I had hypoglycemic attacks. They forced me to eat, when I would not have otherwise, after I had been infected for a time.
A couple of weeks ago I started working to remove the virus from my body. I had attacks of intestinal cramps so severe I had to take Tylenol to be able to stand the pain. It happened twice-each time after I worked to remove the virus...coincidence? I think not. I am testing clear of the virus. For the first time in years I can go hours without eating and my blood sugar stays stable. I'm happily awaiting to see what happens next.

Ad36 in response to Joy's Ad36 thoughts

Do you think Ad36 like candida? Can we apply the same behaviors we used to fix candida to Ad36? For example, when I'm fixing my candida I stop consuming sugar of any kind, I start taking lactobacillus, things like that.

So, sugars, starches and anything I'm jonesing for should be noted as foods that create the happy Ad36 environment. Maybe even thoughts should be noted. It's the weirdest damn thing, I'll be driving along, out of the clear blue I think of fudge brownie shakes -- then my car is on auto-pilot and I'm in the back seat watching the virus order a fudge brownie shake. We used to think it was our little girl, maybe it was the virus.

I hope you expand on your thoughts or hits that "this is [not] a continuous thing". I do agree that now that the condition is here, I believe we have to treat the condition. We have excess stored energy that needs to be used or flushed. BUT I still think the virus is alive and well in me, otherwise why would we be getting the death distress signals? And if the virus isn't continuous, then why doesn't the body recover from the temporary body fat increase as it is naturally programmed to do and now that the virus is gone? And what do they test for when they are looking for people infected by Ad36, the carcass, a latent virus? What do you mean by the virus isn't continuous.

I can't remember if I had elevated liver enzymes, but it seems like that's possible. I'll dig those tests out and look at it. The thing is, my body responds to my efforts in blood tests, meaning I have great cholesterol numbers, A1C is great, even my blood sugars are good, but it never manifests in fat loss. Either I can't maintain my efforts long enough to achieve fat loss or the fat loss is impervious to my efforts. Either way no fat loss.

Changing our perception of ourselves. Okay, that has come along gradually. All the work I (we've) done on treating my little girl in a good way, healing past wounds/issues. And more so recently since I've been learning how to take care of my self esteem. PLUS learning about this virus has short circuited most of that ugly negative self talk and self judgement. You're right it's moot now.

So to address your points by number:
1.Overly abundant and active fat cells.
First of all, yes certainly we have too many fat cells. But it is a myth that they never go away. I've been following that particular idea since I was 18 years old. That's when I first went to a Dr. for liposuction because I figured that the only way I could get rid of them. Instead he sent me to Nutri-Systems. They put me on 800 cal/day. Killed my metabolism. Bastards!

It's a myth. We can get rid of fat cells. We are getting rid of cells all the time, not only fat cells all cells. We turn over all of our cells every 7 years. Dr. Oz on the Oprah show is one person who said we could get rid of fat cells. I can dig deeper on that if you want me to.

Fat cells do produce estrogen, yes, but if you balance that with progesterone it should help, at least until the problem is solved and the body can go back to homeostasis.

2.Lipo is NOT the answer. That does NOTHING to address the root cause of the problem. The answer is to first turn off the virus. And second then weight loss efforts WILL work. THEN raw food will drop 40, 50, 60 lbs like other people experience and the body will normalize its self.

3. I think we are making fat cells in abundance because the virus is actively alive in the body. I look at the Ad36 virus more like a cancer than a simple cold virus, and the tumor it is growing is the fat.

I don't understand this mechanism that the virus runs its course in 60 days after exposure. I haven't happened upon that information yet. I feel like this has been going on for years. Like 20 years. What if there is a virus exposure, active period, dormant period (while "baby" viruses are gestating), then a growth to "adult" virus for 60 days. Then dormancy. And it's cyclical? What do you think? Would that fit with your readings? Can you point me to where you read about that it runs it's course in 60 days part.

Are you saying that, oh let's say for example, I was exposed 20 years ago. I put on fat. The virus died. But the fat that I put on in those 60 days has affected my body ever since? All this is the result on one exposure? Eventually resulting in obesity, morbid obesity, heart disease, diabetes etc. Then why have all my weight loss efforts failed over the last 20 years when the virus was gone? Multiple exposures? Does that mean we have to run frequencies every 60 days for the rest of our lives? (I'm going to need my own machine, in that case.)

Okay, so these are good things to follow up on. Good thinking. I hope anyone with ideas on this will chime in no matter what the idea is.

It ain't easy being green

One day you are minding your own business, going along in your life, and you feel a bit down, stressed, generally whacked. But that's life, and you are pushing through it...you feel a bit under the weather for a few days, as if you have a cold, no big deal.

But you wake up one morning and realize that your skin is turning green.

No one else thinks it's a big deal. It's still skin. You're healthy otherwise. You look fine. Come on. Don't be a baby.

Just wash more. Just eat different. Just get more exercise. Try this cream. But the green is getting more and more pronounced, getting greener and greener despite anything you try. For 2 months, you are getting greener. People are starting to notice.

"What is wrong with you? Stop turning green! Get ahold of yourself. You're such a baby. How can you be so weak. STOP TURNING GREEN WHY DON'T YOU!"

You smile. You cry. Inside you are thinking "what the f--- just happened to me???" You believe them, and you try, but the skin is still green. Surely you can do something about it? You are so strong!

Just think good thoughts and it will go away. And you are saying "but my skin is green!" and people say "oh you are just being dramatic! Take these pills, these shots, it will go away. Go on this special skin regime, it worked for my sister."
and it doesn't. Now you are really really bright green. You stand out in a crowd.

You feel so internally defeated by the green skin, and you are try to go on with your life and live normally, but you can't get away from the green yourself. It is on your mind all the time. You begin to only see yourself in terms of the green, and it becomes the defining factor of who you are. You forget that you are so much more.

Eventually you learn to live with your bright green skin, feeling different than everyone else, but pretending that you aren't. You start a "green skin power" group so you can raise your self esteem. You find other green skinners so you can unite because no one else understands what it feels like to have such green skin and no choice in the matter.

Some surgeons are doing skin transplants but you realize that this is your lot. You are going to make the best of it, and learn to live a full life with this green skin.

You can't hide it no matter what you do. And if you touch anything green, everyone stares at you as if THAT is the whole reason you are green. But it isn't. They don't understand. It's some silly little microscopic virus that you breathed in one day and wham...you turned green, but no one really believes that virus is real either, and you can't really prove it.

And no one cares, or listens, or is finding a cure because all it does is turns you green, and green doesn't kill you. Or does it?

Thoughts on AD36

As with all viruses, parasites, bacerium, they have a living consciousness, and a will to live. They are creating an internal environment that suits them-not you.

We've said with things like candida, as they start to die off, they send out a distress signal to get you to stop! They are coded into your into your thoughts, so it dialogs like "I feel like I'm dying", inorder to get you to stop. When I was running it on myself, there was one evening when every insecurity and phobic response to the world was up. I laid on the couch with tears coming down my face and said to Tony "was I EVER pretty?" he laughed and said yes. I felt awful...and I realized it wasn't me. It was definitely the virus.

That gladdened me, but you are right on Rebecca when you talk about the hormonal component. That is exactly what the viruses trigger in us-they upset the hormonal chemical cart in us-and when we tip, we reach for certain things. Those chemicals directly affect mood. Mood affects our food triggers.

Hence-food cravings for sugars, starches, the things that create that happy environment for them, and do shit all for us.

The thing is: I don't get that this is a continuous thing. I think the virus infects us, triggers the sudden increase in the creation of fat cells, and then our body has to deal with the subsequent increase in estrogen etc because of it.

These chickens died with enlarged pale livers. Well sure, the liver is stressed out of its mind! AND if I recall, you had elevated liver enzymes did you not?

Everything you mentioned below in your post points to no-nonsense dieting rules. And anyone out there that reads what you wrote will say "isn't that what we have been telling you? No starches, no sugars, exercise more, get up and off the couch". And you are right. And they are right.

My entire point isn't that they are wrong. It is ONLY about changing OUR perception of ourselves. All that self blame and self loathing and those beliefs that we are failures because we gained the weight to begin with, and then can't seem to get it off like other people-all that garbage-is moot.

AND

there is an unspoken part-what happens when we are clear of the virus.
1. we are still overly abundant in active fat cells.
what are the ramifications of that? well, higher estrogen is one. An imbalance in our hormones.
the good news is we have great cholesterol.

2. is the only answer lipo? Wow-that's some expert's opinions. THEY say that we can't get rid of fat cells. I'm really curious about that. We can make them shrink, and we can get them to become inactive...somehow. Ok. THAT is a start.

3. are we still making fat cells in abundance? I don't think so. They say that the virus seems to run it's course in 60 days after exposure. Those chickens gain the weight in a few months, on the same amount of regulated food as the other chickens.

then we deal with the after effects, same as EPV, or Mono, or any other virus. Exposure, manifestation, then the fallout effects on the body.

As to your questions-
what makes it grow?
what does it do, what are it's mechanisms?
How does it do what it does in my body?
The virus triggers stem cells to turn into fat cells. Then the fat cells, once activated and on line, begin to plump up. I don't know if the virus itself grows-it seems like it is more a catalyst that sets off a chain reaction in the body. Why? They don't have that answer yet.

Remember; the experts say it isn't 'a life threatening virus, so not one they are interested in, BECAUSE it only makes you fat. BUT my point is-fat is the leading cause of life-threatening illness in many OTHER diseases like high blood pressure, heart disease and diabetes-which are currently, inexplicably on the rise-to epidemic proportions in our country-coincidentally, in the same time period...the last 20 years.

Which of my body systems are directly affected by it?
The liver because it gets enlarged and pale in those chickens, and probably the kidneys I would think. The heart and probably the pancreas-but that's my intuitive hit based on the relatable illnesses of heart disease and diabetes. It directly effects the hormonal levels, and so mood, and the brain.

Ask them. Email them and ask! Then post it. But they will probably want you to take a blood test.

The trick on us AD36

Ok Rebecca- this is a recap for you, because you are coming into this a bit later but nevertheless you are getting it-

If someone has never had a weight issue, has never struggled, been confused or frustrated with doing all the right things and not getting the results expected, then they don't understand the reason why I, and others in my same position, might feel angry, deceived and vindicated by the exposing of this infectious viral condition that just happens to cause us to gain up to 3x our body fat on the same food as others.

THIS is exactly what we have been saying for years. At least the last 20 years since the mid 80s, which is exactly when this virus seems to have come into existence. AND it's when the Infectious disease agency knew about it, and when the US population seems to have inexplicably gained 30% in bodyfat index.

We've gone to experts of all sorts saying "But I don't eat any more than anyone else, WHY am I gaining weight and they don't?" Well we were called lazy, for one thing. And told we lacked willpower, motivation and self esteem. If we really wanted it, we would be able to do it, of course!

I remember my husband saying "You are so strong, and you can do anything, WHY can't you lose this weight???" And I sat down and cried and said "I don't know!!!" I truly was trying. I had tried everything. AND I was trying the old diets that had always worked for me. And they no longer were.

As you all know, 17 years ago I finally opted for a gastric bypass because I couldn't get on top of it. I couldn't figure it out. I ate. But even if I ate vegetables I gained. Hell, we've been on rawish for what, 8 months now, and much to my chagrin, I have lost a whooping 10-12 pounds-and that's got to be half water because it vacillates. Is that normal? People tell me they shed 40, 50 60 pounds or more. Hmmmm. Ok. It took me a year to lose 15 pounds a few years ago-which I gained back...and am in the process of losing again. And I am not losing inches this time because I am no where near those size 6 pants this time.

The experts say any number of things already posted on the blog under "the rules that don't work for me".
It's your fault...that's a big one. We came to believe to the core of who we are that there was a "something" we could do to change it, and that it was happening because of something we did. Wow.

That alone is huge.

But the things we were bombarded with, and that we took in as truths were:

You are eating too much. (so we cut back sometimes to as little as 500 calories a day-way less than a normally metabolized person should have to eat.)

You're eating the wrong foods. (we modified our eating in any number of ways-and followed diets perpetuated by the thin, and the newly thin. It's a whole industry)

Cut back on calories. (we did)

Cut back on carbs. (we did)

Exercise more. (we did)

But for some of us, much to our shame and humiliation, we still checked in with little if any, significant weight and fat loss.
Even pills, shots, and various meds brought little relief.

I'm just saying WHAT IF it's this virus? And WHAT IF it isn't your fault, or my fault. What if it's true that we eat the same amount as a thin person, and we gain weight on it? WHAT IF we have 3x the fat cells, NOT because our mother bottlefed us when we were an infant-(which is when experts are saying we actually created our surplus of fat cells).

Do you know that they teach that all of your fat cells are created when you are an infant so if you are a fat baby you will be a fat adult? That's so not true! But people believe it.

Why then do we have a hard time believing in a virus that can make someone fat?

What if it's an infectious agent that they have known about since the 80s, that triggers your stem cells to turn into fat cells?
What if these same experts say "it ONLY makes people fat" so it isn't a big deal.
What if this multi billion dollar "weight gain/loss" industry has developed out of this virus and it's side effects? WHOA...talk about a conspiracy theory

Hey-40% of the people tested are testing positive. Now granted, that's 40% of the people that suspect they have been exposed. But 40% is a huge number! And 10% of those people are thin, NOT fat.

What if the pharmaceutical industry, who manufactures those weight LOSS supplements, as well as the diabetic, and high blood pressure meds that are the results of the weight gain, are perfectly happy to have us fat and getting fatter? FAT is good for the economy.

Follow the money and you might realize why there are only two doctors that are taking this at all seriously...and with little if any support or credibility coming their way because of it, and a lot of flack from their peers.

What I hear now from those same thin experts is "fat people are just looking for an excuse for being fat when what they really need to do is lose weight".

This one infuriates me. I'm by no means fat anymore, although I feel some days as if I still weigh 300 pounds. I'm 15 pounds more than I want to weigh though, after major surgery, and like Bo said, I'm no longer making myself crazy because I'm not in that size 6. THIS is my body. I accept it, flabby underarms and all.

But that prejudice that I hear still angers me. Fat people are passionate people. They are kinesthetic FEELING people. They feel MORE than others, and deeper, and they take things harder. They have huge energy-that gets expended carrying extra weight.

You pick up a couple of toddlers and strap them to your body and carry them around all the time, and tell me that it isn't exhausting. Try it. I dare you! You think they don't WANT to lose weight? THey want it more than anything. They aren't looking for a quick fix. They want to see normal results.

All these weight loss ads make me nuts too. There is a model, sporting her new 6pack-which is like near impossible for women by the way-
and in tiny size 4 font at the bottom of the ad it says " these results are not typical" so they cover their own asses. Ok, what are the typical results? A few pounds? One pound a week? One pound a month? Who can keep their motivation going in the face of that???

6 years ago I signed up with a medical clinic. I followed the program religiously-including weekly shots, and I lost a whooping pound and a half...a MONTH. I persevered though because they tell us that when you lose it slowly, it stays off. It took me more than a year to drop 15 pounds. I got down to a 6-but I still had a very high percentage of bodyfat. They were stymied. I was wearing a size 6 and my body fat was 30%. Does that make sense???

All I'm saying is that when you don't fit their box, don't keep trying to shove yourself into it, or beat yourself up because you don't fit. There is another box. And maybe, just maybe AD36 is it. It's not about finding an excuse, it's about finding something that makes sense when nothing else does.

I've called myself an addict. I've beaten myself every way to Sunday. I know this world. And, realizing that it could well be this virus that is the culprit and not my weak self esteem, or my lack of willpower-well, it's freeing.

Much like all those women that were told menopausal symptoms were in their heads...by well meaning experts that told them to go home and get a grip.

But I don't have an answer yet. What if we test positive for the virus? Then what? Is there a cure? There is NOT a conventional cure. No vaccine. Nil research in that direction. Those doctors are still trying to get people to listen to them as they try and prove that there IS a virus!

Well, the experts say once we have those extra fat cells the only way to get rid of them is lypo or other surgeries because we don't lose fat cells even when we lose weight-they just shrink. Did you know that? You lose weight when the fat cells stop "storing' and release. But you don't lose the fat cell itself. It stays there waiting to get the orders to store again.

I'm open to suggestions. I'm open to working with a group of like minded people on a research project. I'm open to using the frequencies to find a protocol that works. I'm open to all of us trying things and pooling information. But so far, we are 3. CA, me, and now you Rebecca. Think about it-those numbers in the face of all the people out there that we know are facing the same obstacles...that's daunting isn't it? Why aren't more people willing to realize that this might not be their fault? It's so much easier for people to blame than it is for people to forgive, isn't it.

Talk about hitting a limiting belief / the wall of apathy. But under the apathy is anger. And under anger is fear. And under fear is compassion...

See this?

Ok those of you that can view-THIS is the AD-36 virus.
As soon as I wrote this-I got the worst hot flash! There definitely is an emotional connection to this piece for me.

In 10 years

I was just cruising again on some science sites, and thought your attention might be caught by this statistic, as mine was:
between 1980 and 1990 Americans increased body fat by 33%. This is on a science site that was tracking AD36 and it's move across the US. Obesity specialists are "baffled" why America "suddenly" starting increasing in girth.

Did we just watch more tv? Nintendo? Popcorn? Convenience? Really??? That's what they told us. But what if it's a disease that's catching?

So, what's the emotional component? The trigger that says one person activates the disease, and another doesn't? That's a question for all disease isn't it? We can have a marker for a disease and never manifest it. AIDS vs HIV, cancers, all of it. Some people aren't available to it.

I wonder what was emotionally happening in people's lives.

I got married in 1979-and I had the bypass in 1990. I am right on the money for this time period.
Emotionally, I was opening up and retrieving those lost trauma years so I was way into emotion, and T and I were having alot of issues in our early marriage. I also gave birth to both boys during this time period which means the virus would have been vertically passed to them.

Anyone else?

Here's something else-University of Buffalo did studies because they were curious about the drop in cholesterol and triglycerides with the onset of obesity.
They discovered that chronic hyperinsulinemia preceded the obesity. Overproduction of insulin by the FAT CELLS, and a drop in insulin in the muscle cells and liver.

Did anyone begin to have sugar issues during this time? Sorry-by sugar issues I mean diabetes. Not sugar cravings.
Was anyone suddenly diagnosed with diabetes.

Adeno Viruses

Did you know that the word VIRUS is latin for "poison"?

Adeno viruses are a classification of viruses that are respiratory. They are stable, they can survive adverse Ph conditions, and can survive outside the body.
They are transmitted by direct contact, they can be waterborne, they can stay dormant in the system, and they are respiratory.
Adenoviruses are pneumonia, croup, bronchitis...and our AD 36 is an adenovirus.
And AD 37 is the chicken strain, or SMAM-1.

So, can't we use theta to nuke it? Yes. Why not! This gives us a whole new set of questions to ask doesn't it?

Can we use frequencies to nuke it? Yes again I absolutely think so, now that we know what we are looking for.

Found it! This is from SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN: "Physiologist Leah Whigham of the University of Wisconsin-Madison and her colleagues inoculated young male chickens with three strains of adenovirus--Ad-2, Ad-31 and Ad-37. She and her team then monitored the chickens for three and a half weeks, recording their food intake throughout. Though the infected chickens and noninfected controls

consumed the same amount of food and were exposed to the same conditions,

chickens carrying Ad-37 were found to have nearly three times as much fat in their guts and more than two times as much fat over their entire body at the end of the three-and-a-half week period. The other two virus strains appeared to have little effect on weight."

Stem Cells and Fat Cells

HUMAN VIRUS MAKES FAT STEM CELLS FATTER
At least this article is more recent: 2006.

The article states that Magdalena Pasarica at Pennington (same lab as Dhurandhar) is studying AD36. She says it stimulates STEM CELLS to become prefat cells, and then the prefat cells to become fat cells. Oh isn't it all so efficient.

Virus Exposure This bleep is a year old, and says blood tests on 2000 Aussies showed 20% had been exposed to AD 36.

So what's my deal, I ask myself. Am I looking for an excuse? NO! I'm looking for a reason. For the past 20 years I have said that it doesn't MAKE SENSE!

Who's Researching this?

Dr Dhurandhar this is his website

"Our in-vivo and in-vitro data show that Ad-36 increases adiposity, lowers serum lipids, increases insulin sensitivity and preadipocyte differentiation."

In other words, the chickens had normal to low cholesterol and triglycerides, which is atypical of obesity.

Infectobesity

it increases FAT STORAGE-there's my answer.
So no matter what they eat, their body shifts it to fat storage by waking up those potential fat cells to get busy.

The Obesity Virus?

Dr. Atkinson-owner of OBETECH LAB says "There are no obvious symptoms of this virus infection. Whatever disease [the virus] causes, it's certainly a very mild disease," he explains. "We've inoculated four species of animals and have never lost an animal. The monkeys maybe looked under the weather for a day, then they were bouncing around, they were fine." and then they tripled their fat index. HAH!

COULD OBESITY BE CONTAGIOUS? And look-this was written in 2004!

I've found articles saying EXACTLY THE SAME THING dating back to 2000.
Virus boosts fat in chickens and mice

So what is currently going on?

Dr Dhurandhar and AD 36

Dr Dhurandhar, Wayne State University, Detroit, Michigan is the guy to watch.

This started in India, in the 80s with chickens with a virus called SMAM-1.
Could Fat Be Catching?
But here's the interesting thing-Dhurandhar BORROWED AD36 to use on monkeys in India in his experiments. Guess where he borrowed if from? THE US COLLECTION. What? That means that BEFORE Dhurandhar discovered it in chickens in India, the US governmental body of infectious diseases KNEW ABOUT IT?

The virus occurs naturally in the human population? Yes, that's what it says. Naturally???
30% of the obese screened tested positive.
5-10% of those that were not overweight tested positive.

AD 36 increases the size and number of fat cells in infected animals.
It encourages "prefat" cells with the potential to become fat cells to go for it. What's a pre fat cell?

Professor Stephen Bloom, from Imperial College, London: "People have been eating much more and taking less exercise. Why do you need to invent some strange story about a virus?" And why do we need to entertain the idea that the earth is round? Everyone can see that it is obviously FLAT.

Dr John Foreyt from Baylor College, Texas: "Viruses can lie dormant for many years and we've seen the crossover of the HIV virus, for example, from animals to humans. We may be seeing a similar thing now with the obesity virus." Yes sir that's thinking!

One of my questions is:
Dr Dhurandhar, Wayne State University, Detroit, Michigan-did the chickens start to eat more?
Did the monkeys start to eat more? When that monkey in your lab tripled his body weight and body fat index, were you making MORE food available to him or was this just an explosion of fat cells? Did he stand in front of the fridge and gorge?

I want to know! See, animals in labs get a controlled amount of food. They are in cages. HOW exactly did these test animals suddenly gain so much weight? Can we say that they "obviously just need to exercise more"? or that they are "eating too many carbs?"

BLOOD TEST FOR AD 36

I have gone in multiple times reading on this fat virus. But I just posted "I want to find a lab that will test for the AD 36 virus" and I went back in for another search to give you all the links I have been reading: and I find a new one:

Check this out:
Obesity virus test kid
You need to get blood drawn locally and then send the sample to their lab-OBETECH. They are doing additional research to find relative associations.

According to this site, if you are THIN and test positive, you have a 60-100% chance of becoming obese.

Yes CA, there are huge health risks as your weight goes up-and of course if insurance companies and health care professionals were really interested in America thinning down-why isn't there the needed research into this?

Can we put our heads together and come up with a research project for this?

The sad thing is: if you test positive they say to go to your doctor and go on a diet or get bypass surgery. That's their only solution at the moment. Scream time!

Research on AD 36

I want to post some of the articles I've been reading. Here are a few, along with some interesting information from them.

61% of people in the US are classified overweight to obese now. And funnily enough it is spreading FROM the east coast to the west. Spreding? That does sound like an infectious disease, doesn't it?

Why did it start there?

I was thinking outloud last night and heard myself say "Viruses mutate all the time. That's what they do. And viruses cross to humans from animals all the time too. HIV, Hanta virus, monkey pox, coxpox, Ebola, Influenza A, Lassa, Junin on and on. I watched that PETA documentary, and here were these chickens that were so grossly obese that their legs broke out from under them. What if this spread to humans from our lovely fat chickens? And nobody cared that the chickens were getting fat because it was good for business." I was just ruminating-and Tony was watching the fights.

Read this article I found this morning. Ask the question, find the answer, remember? Could Fat be Catching? ...CHICKENS! In Bombay. The chickens died nice and plump though-with enlarged livers and kidneys. Now, they did slaughter those chickens, and no one is saying that our chickens here are infected. MY speculation was totally science fiction. But, we do know that the virus started in chickens, or at least we first noticed it in chickens.

But isn't it funny how concerned the Infectious Disease people were about the AVIAN flu-which is an adenovirus that we can get from birds-mostly caught by chicken pluckers, right? And they were alerting us because we "might could" catch it if it mutated.

Well, what about this virus? 30% of the fat people test positive, PLUS 10% of the thin people. So that means, 40% of those tested are postiive for it. That's a HUGE amount of the population if that is a fair random sampling. If 40% of us caught avian flu wouldnt' that be a disease epidemic?

We have an epidemic of diabetes, we have an epidemic of high blood pressure, we have an epidemic of obesity but we don't want to think that it could actually be caused by an infectious disease? Isn't that a little "head in the ass" thinking?

HOT BUTTON

Obviously, I have found a hot button still burning in myself! :)

And you know what? I don't want to shrug and go quietly and say "what ya gonna do?" I want to scream! I want to rally the troops! I want to storm the medical bastille!

I was telling T about it-and of course being naturally thin, AND losing weight easily-he was less than sympathetic. He smiled indulgently (and I admit I was raving a bit) and then shrugged. SHRUGGED!

And then he said "you DO have to eat less." This is my biggest button. This is hit the roof time! I had a freaking gastric bypass and for 17 years I CAN'T EAT BIG! And yet, there it is. The belief that it must be what I am eating, and the how much. I've been primarily raw, and mostly raw juice for what, close to 5 months now? Come on!

I said to him "They slit me open like a pig" and I flashed my scar "stuck the knife in at my bellybutton and it ends at my sternum" ... still no reaction. "Don't you get it? This is like doing major surgery to cure the FLU!"

This is like in MASTER AND COMMANDER-did you see that movie? There was a sea battle, and the 12 year old apprentice captain breaks his arm...and they take an ax and cut it off! No cure, whack.

To me-this is THE SAME THING!

Yes Pam-that's exactly what I think we should figure out. And I want to find a lab in Utah that will do a blood test for AD36 antibodies. And I want to find out more!

On the hunt for AD 36

In my spare time tonight I've been internet hunting and found out that there are actually 2 viruses that cause humans to become obese, THAT WE KNOW OF, and there 6 in the animal world. AD 5 is another adenovirus that causes humans to gain 50-100% body fat. They know about them. They don't care. It seems to be a mild disease in the big picture, it doesn't seem to make them very sick.

ARE THEY KIDDING ME!?? NOT VERY SICK! You gain 100% body fat, and it's no big deal?

So what I want to know is why aren't other people as infuriated as I am? I read 3 articles from research doctors that said "regardless of it being a virus, people still need to just stop eating". I wanted to throttle someone! They don't get it! The antibodies were present in 30% of the obese people they tested, and was NOT present in any of the normal sized people. HELLO! What are they looking for?

This is a major deception perpetrated on the American public. This is a marketing campaign that has undermined the self esteem of a nation! We are "fat and prosperous". Americans are "lazy". We are supposed to be ashamed of our prosperity, as a nation, apologizing for our wealth. Does this follow straight into what we were working on in class concerning shame and giving and receiving? You betcha!

We've been tricked into believing that we should have been trying harder to lose weight, that we should join that health club, walk that mile, buy that diet book, and that something was wrong with us-our self esteem, our motivation, that there was some magic pill and that we were fooling ourselves if we thought we weren't eating because all anyone had to do was look at us to see that we obviously were eating.

I say we find a cure for AD 36 because this is exactly what I have been saying. Having been raw as long as this, I should have been dropping inches, and it hasn't reallly happened. Oh a bit, but come on!

AD36 the fat virus

Guess what! They have found a FAT VIRUS! Yep, it's called AD-36, and if you have the antibodies in your bloodstream, it means you have been infected. It can cause your fat to triple!

If your lipids, triglycerides and cholesterol are normal, and your fat is high, you could have been infected with AD 36. This is different from "normal" obesity, they say, because these levels would be expected to be high. When I went to get my bypass, they were oh so shocked to find that my blood pressure was low, my cholesterol was normal and my triglicerides were ok. I was "just fat". Now I'm thinking it makes sense!

Lucky us, it's one of the 51 types of viruses that infect humans. It's an adeno virus so that means it's respiratory. And becaause there is so little serious research being done, it COULD be a virus that is passed vertically. That means that it is passed mother to infant.

So do you think they are rushing to develop a "vaccine" to "cure" us? I doubt it. Obesity is big business!!! (no pun intended but ar-ar)

See, ask a new question and you get a new answer! No one considered that fat might be a communicable disease! No one thought it might be infectious. No. It was all due to lack of willpower. But we know differently.

Think of it. We have an epidemic in our country of fat...which came first? The virus, and then TV, or fried chicken and then the virus? Who knows?

Maybe AD36 is an alien plot? Maybe it's AD36 that has been downloaded into our unsuspecting water systems, added like so much floride?

Hey, AD37 makes chickens fat...maybe someone out there decided to fatten up chickens, deliberately infecting them with AD37 as a quick way to raise fat chickens (more weight more profit afterall) which randomly mutated into AD36 and started making humans fat...hmmmm....

Is this a case for the X files?